tubular control arms

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Re: tubular control arms

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my arms will feature urethane bushings
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I just wish they would box in the leading edge where the ball joint mounts. That's one of the weak links in the original design, that flange is almost always warped throwing the ball joint/alignment out. I've been putting of a project of strenthening the original arms and inserting some MOOG BJ's and some yellow poly bushings I got from Classicricambi when they were still in business. Maybe I'll hold off and wait for Mark's arms.
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It looks like the mount for the anti sway bar can be flush on the tube arms. The guy at the alignment place told me 5 years ago that the way I macgyvered the connection for the Adco bar it is not going to work but it did and I have been rough on it. It still would be nice to take care of that.
Anyway Mark I guess it is worth waiting for your arms since I have been planing on changing to poly bushings.
Is there a way to make up for what ever lowering the car to much messes up. My arms are far from being horizontal.
And also, are they going to be available in black?
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The people at Vick's have responded and changed a few things on their web site.

http://www.vickauto.com/newstore/index. ... ts_id=3806
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Re: tubular control arms

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Forget the arms we need some drop spindles...
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They have responded to me as well and have give some good feedback, I'd seriously consider them it's just freight component to OZ that kills a lot of deals for me.....
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hmm, 10 degrees of caster (not castor) will make for some heavy steering effort.
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based on their photo it appears there is no place to mount the shocks :shock: :?

not like the last pair I bought which worked out sooooo well (dripping with sacrcasm) :roll:

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"hmm, 10 degrees of caster (not castor) will make for some heavy steering effort."

When mounted on a Lada, it won't.

"based on their photo it appears there is no place to mount the shocks"

Good eye, hahaha.
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No place to mount shocks is a pretty big factor. How could something like that be overlooked? Or is there a bolt on feature to accommodate?

And isn't there already some positive caster to our cars? Does any one know the amount? And are Vick's arms 10 degree positive or negative?
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10 degrees is a very radical change. It would seem that would hurt handling and make the front end looser. One of the things that makes an X handle so well is the near zero caster. That is also what makes the car so twitchy. Maybe you race guys can explain this.
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more caster makes the car want to go straight, and requires more effort to turn the wheel. 10 + would be good for a drag car that only goes straight down a drag strip. Negative caster would be a bad thing for a car.
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>And isn't there already some positive caster to our cars?

Yes, about 3-4 degrees.
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I alwys think of the classic shopping cart at the supermarket when considering caster. Perfect example of an unstable system. :mrgreen:
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Re: tubular control arms

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Thanks Mark & Csaba.

So you want just enough to bring the wheels to center when letting go of the wheel, but not too much that you have to fight to turn it.

I'm also assuming that there is no way of adjusting it, unless you modify or replace the control arms, correct?
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