Hello from California
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Hello from California
As of almost 5 weeks ago, I’m the owner of a 1978 124 sport spider. I hope this won’t offend any purists, but my plan is to convert it to an EV.
I’ve had the itch to do an EV conversion for several years. I’m mostly interested in it as a challenging spare time project and chance to learn more about cars, as well as a project to work on with my kid. I’d done some small engine stuff when I was younger: motorcycles, go-karts, and the like, but this will definitely be a stretch for me. I’ve actually driven a production EV as my primary car for almost 6 years: first a LEAF, and now a Chevy Bolt. Although they may not look like much from the outside, they’re a lot of fun to drive because of their instantly responsive torque and low center of gravity.
Over the months of periodically browsing the classifieds for a car to convert, I found myself being drawn to 124s. The car I finally pulled the trigger on had a pretty clean body with not much rust. The engine seems to have been leaking oil for a while and wouldn’t keep oil pressure, the electronics were flaky, and it has the common issue where the crossmember mounts have broken through the frame rails. The interior is a bit ratty and could use some upgrading as well.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aPedwghPmXuk5KUY8
Since I’ve gotten the car, I’ve pulled the engine, fuel tank, and all ICE components, as well as the transmission. I disassembled the front suspension, and welded ⅛” steel plate reinforcements into the rails for the crossmember mounts. It’s been a lot of fun so far, and I have a long list of questions building up to ask.
I’ve had the itch to do an EV conversion for several years. I’m mostly interested in it as a challenging spare time project and chance to learn more about cars, as well as a project to work on with my kid. I’d done some small engine stuff when I was younger: motorcycles, go-karts, and the like, but this will definitely be a stretch for me. I’ve actually driven a production EV as my primary car for almost 6 years: first a LEAF, and now a Chevy Bolt. Although they may not look like much from the outside, they’re a lot of fun to drive because of their instantly responsive torque and low center of gravity.
Over the months of periodically browsing the classifieds for a car to convert, I found myself being drawn to 124s. The car I finally pulled the trigger on had a pretty clean body with not much rust. The engine seems to have been leaking oil for a while and wouldn’t keep oil pressure, the electronics were flaky, and it has the common issue where the crossmember mounts have broken through the frame rails. The interior is a bit ratty and could use some upgrading as well.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aPedwghPmXuk5KUY8
Since I’ve gotten the car, I’ve pulled the engine, fuel tank, and all ICE components, as well as the transmission. I disassembled the front suspension, and welded ⅛” steel plate reinforcements into the rails for the crossmember mounts. It’s been a lot of fun so far, and I have a long list of questions building up to ask.
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- Your car is a: 1983 FIAT Pininafarina Spider 2000
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Re: Hello from California
One member Electricspider chronicled his adventure, That may interest you. Looking forward to seeing yours!
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Re: Hello from California
Cool; I'll be interested in following your progress! Where in CA are you located? I'm an hour or so east of San Francisco.
-Bryan
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Re: Hello from California
I'm not too far away: in the SF bay area, a little north of San Jose.
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Re: Hello from California
Very good, I'm in Livermore, so not too far away. Let me know if you need any help with your project. While I have zero experience with electric vehicles, I have played around with Fiats for about 40 years now. Down to just two currently: a '69 spider and a '71 spider.
-Bryan
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Re: Hello from California
Thanks, I may take you up on that at some point!
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- Location: Hamburg, Germany
Re: Hello from California
Hi
and welcome! This conversion is getting popular I think!
The worldwide Spider Register counts 4 conversions, all from the States:
. Roadstersalon in Illinois
- Electric GT (two cars, one sold to the Bahamas)
- Matt Shobe in Washington see here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/register/vehicle/903
(link not static monthly changing)
Perhaps you will get in contact with him? Of Course I am interested in your work in all phases plus the VIN for the Register!
Bye Ralf
and welcome! This conversion is getting popular I think!
The worldwide Spider Register counts 4 conversions, all from the States:
. Roadstersalon in Illinois
- Electric GT (two cars, one sold to the Bahamas)
- Matt Shobe in Washington see here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/register/vehicle/903
(link not static monthly changing)
Perhaps you will get in contact with him? Of Course I am interested in your work in all phases plus the VIN for the Register!
Bye Ralf
69 AS Spider
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the Worldwide Spider Register
Be part of it and register your car(s). Starting point here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/worldwide-spider-register
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the Worldwide Spider Register
Be part of it and register your car(s). Starting point here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/worldwide-spider-register
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Re: Hello from California
Thanks! It looks like mine was added to the register previously: https://www.fiatspider.de/register/vehicle/12009
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Re: Hello from California
Hi Jeff,jeff1 wrote:Thanks! It looks like mine was added to the register previously
great! Then I will update this entry! Good luck to your project!
Cheers Ralf
69 AS Spider
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the Worldwide Spider Register
Be part of it and register your car(s). Starting point here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/worldwide-spider-register
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the Worldwide Spider Register
Be part of it and register your car(s). Starting point here:
https://www.fiatspider.de/worldwide-spider-register
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- Your car is a: 1978 Fiat 124 Spider
Re: Hello from California
Jeff, how's it going? Curious about this conversion!
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Re: Hello from California
Thanks for asking! Steady progress. I've rebuilt the front end suspension, with a new crossmember, control arms, ball joints, and bushings. (The crossmember bolts and nut had been damaged when it broke away from the frame rail):
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rp5RYCsvCXHtUeZP9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EJzShehXHdv1ThDPA
I also replaced the brake rotors and pads on the rear, as the pads were pretty worn and one of the rotors had a deep groove in the back (at some point in the past before I owned it, the caliper support bracket was bolted on without the spring washers that were normally there, which caused the bolts to stick through and gouge the back of the disc). Getting the pistons compressed by screwing them down was an enormous pain and I hope I never have to do that again.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2VcDTPgthaje1E7A7
I still need to replace the master cylinder, and reflare the brake lines (They seem to only have a single flare on the MC side, which probably explains why they were leaking)
I picked up a used LEAF motor from a junkyard and have been using Fusion 360 to mock up adapter plates to connect to the transmission, but it is a bit tricky given the shape of the motor. I also found a used Prius inverter and am looking into using one of these conversion boards and the Open Inverter software to adapt it to the motor: https://evbmw.com/index.php/evbmw-websh ... ted-boards.
I've really been enjoying the project and have learned a ton already.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rp5RYCsvCXHtUeZP9
https://photos.app.goo.gl/EJzShehXHdv1ThDPA
I also replaced the brake rotors and pads on the rear, as the pads were pretty worn and one of the rotors had a deep groove in the back (at some point in the past before I owned it, the caliper support bracket was bolted on without the spring washers that were normally there, which caused the bolts to stick through and gouge the back of the disc). Getting the pistons compressed by screwing them down was an enormous pain and I hope I never have to do that again.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/2VcDTPgthaje1E7A7
I still need to replace the master cylinder, and reflare the brake lines (They seem to only have a single flare on the MC side, which probably explains why they were leaking)
I picked up a used LEAF motor from a junkyard and have been using Fusion 360 to mock up adapter plates to connect to the transmission, but it is a bit tricky given the shape of the motor. I also found a used Prius inverter and am looking into using one of these conversion boards and the Open Inverter software to adapt it to the motor: https://evbmw.com/index.php/evbmw-websh ... ted-boards.
I've really been enjoying the project and have learned a ton already.
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Re: Hello from California
This is great, thank you for taking us along for the ride on this one! Please keep is up to date!
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Re: Hello from California
very cool and good luck with the project. I'm about to embark on a father and son Fiat project myself but we're not cool enough to do an EV. I suppose you've seen this car: https://electricgt.com/builds/electric- ... 24-spider/
Cheers!
Cheers!
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Re: Hello from California
Jeff, be aware that the Spiders use bubble flares on the brake lines. Not the double flares seen on North American vehicles. I have seen them described as unfinished double flares. Looking forward to following your progress.
Dave Kelly
Campbell River B.C.
1973 Sport(sold)
1980 Spider 2000(project, aren't they all)
Campbell River B.C.
1973 Sport(sold)
1980 Spider 2000(project, aren't they all)
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Re: Hello from California
Thanks! Yeah, that's something the manuals kind of gloss over. Fortunately I did find that on the forums here (which have been really helpful). Let's see how much brake line I go through up trying to do it correctly.